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		<title>Comment on My Day by Dude</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, David!]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on My Predictions for 2011 by Ruth Hodsdon</title>
		<link>http://www.shireyllc.com/blog1/?p=159&#038;cpage=1#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth Hodsdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 23:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen to all of what you said especially the last three!!]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on How Stupid Are We? by D</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 07:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[still digging this blog...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>still digging this blog&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Stupid Are We? by Ruth Hodsdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth Hodsdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you&#039;re right here too because we&#039;re living in a world of political correctness where it seems no one can say even the simplest of things without risking offending someone or being blamed for something.   However on the other hand I&#039;ve met people who don&#039;t have the sense that God gave rocks and routinely put themsleves at risk.   I went out kayaking with one for example who, ignoring my advice, didh&#039;t wear a hat or sunglasses and didn&#039;t bring water.     She ended up overheated without the hat, nearly blinded without the sunglasses, and nearly dehydrated without the water by the time we got to shore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right here too because we&#8217;re living in a world of political correctness where it seems no one can say even the simplest of things without risking offending someone or being blamed for something.   However on the other hand I&#8217;ve met people who don&#8217;t have the sense that God gave rocks and routinely put themsleves at risk.   I went out kayaking with one for example who, ignoring my advice, didh&#8217;t wear a hat or sunglasses and didn&#8217;t bring water.     She ended up overheated without the hat, nearly blinded without the sunglasses, and nearly dehydrated without the water by the time we got to shore.</p>
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		<title>Comment on So, How Long Will this Take? by Ruth Hodsdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth Hodsdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen to that!   Developers need to resist being pressured into giving some kind of answer and to stick to their guns about needing to know first just exactly what is being asked of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that!   Developers need to resist being pressured into giving some kind of answer and to stick to their guns about needing to know first just exactly what is being asked of them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Few Thoughts on Outsourcing by Ward Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ward Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ditto Dave!  By the way, I started my organic farm about 6 years ago as well as 200 grapevines.  2010 will be my first vintage (called Sugarloaf Vineyard) and I&#039;ll have about 600 bottles.  Sure hope it doesn&#039;t taste like gym socks because I have put a lot of effort and time into this endeavor!  I&#039;ll let you know how it turns out this October.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto Dave!  By the way, I started my organic farm about 6 years ago as well as 200 grapevines.  2010 will be my first vintage (called Sugarloaf Vineyard) and I&#8217;ll have about 600 bottles.  Sure hope it doesn&#8217;t taste like gym socks because I have put a lot of effort and time into this endeavor!  I&#8217;ll let you know how it turns out this October.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Few Thoughts on Outsourcing by Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know, Ward, I&#039;m having a heck of a time figuring out just where you stand on this :)     Seriously though, I do agree with a lot you are saying.  

Certainly you are right about the role of technology in taking jobs, and I do bear some responsibility for that.  Often IT projects result in new capabiliites and therefore may not reduce headcount (or at least reduce it immediately), but we are moving to an economy where there are fewer jobs, especially at the bottom level of the earning spectrum.   And that does increase the importance of education and of having the mental flexibility to recast yourself as the situation requires.  Maybe what really bugs me about the outsourcing I am talking about is that it strikes directly at people who have worked to get an education and who have skills that are current.   And the fact that we are outsourcing knowledge is a key issue for me, as I know it is for you too.  

And you are right that not every company is mercenary.  There are many companies that still do remember they are part of the living, breathing social fabric of this country and are lead by men and woman who honor that role.   The ones that don&#039;t often get the publicity but I am afraid that the latter group is growing and the former is shrinking.   Things are getting increasingly inpersonal, to a great extent because of the extensive use of spin-speak as an acceptible form of English.  

I also agree that government intervention is probably not a solution, although I would not be against some sort of tax on every job sent offshore, but I know that would be hard to monitor or enforce.  All I really want is an increased awareness on the part of not just corporate leaders but people in general that we need to think broadly and do what is best for our society as a whole.   Although I suppose if I really followed that advice myself I would buy a farm and start raising organic produce.  

In the meantime, I&#039;m going to think about that &#039;How to raise your child&#039; idea.  It could be huge and I really could use the cash.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, Ward, I&#8217;m having a heck of a time figuring out just where you stand on this <img src='http://www.shireyllc.com/blog1/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />      Seriously though, I do agree with a lot you are saying.  </p>
<p>Certainly you are right about the role of technology in taking jobs, and I do bear some responsibility for that.  Often IT projects result in new capabiliites and therefore may not reduce headcount (or at least reduce it immediately), but we are moving to an economy where there are fewer jobs, especially at the bottom level of the earning spectrum.   And that does increase the importance of education and of having the mental flexibility to recast yourself as the situation requires.  Maybe what really bugs me about the outsourcing I am talking about is that it strikes directly at people who have worked to get an education and who have skills that are current.   And the fact that we are outsourcing knowledge is a key issue for me, as I know it is for you too.  </p>
<p>And you are right that not every company is mercenary.  There are many companies that still do remember they are part of the living, breathing social fabric of this country and are lead by men and woman who honor that role.   The ones that don&#8217;t often get the publicity but I am afraid that the latter group is growing and the former is shrinking.   Things are getting increasingly inpersonal, to a great extent because of the extensive use of spin-speak as an acceptible form of English.  </p>
<p>I also agree that government intervention is probably not a solution, although I would not be against some sort of tax on every job sent offshore, but I know that would be hard to monitor or enforce.  All I really want is an increased awareness on the part of not just corporate leaders but people in general that we need to think broadly and do what is best for our society as a whole.   Although I suppose if I really followed that advice myself I would buy a farm and start raising organic produce.  </p>
<p>In the meantime, I&#8217;m going to think about that &#8216;How to raise your child&#8217; idea.  It could be huge and I really could use the cash.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Few Thoughts on Outsourcing by Ward Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ward Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t quite jumped on the &quot;hate corporate america&quot; bandwagon just yet since it&#039;s being led by the Left and is intended to feed the anger and resentment of their constituency, similar to the continuing racial divide, sexist divide, class-warfare and any other &quot;divide&quot; that diverts attention from the truth and keeps America polarized.
Personally, my company, Nestle-Purina, plays an extremely important community and international role from supporting United Way to Tsunami, Katrina and Haiti relief as well as providing 250,000+ jobs around the world.  And, we feed pets that provide companionship to over a billion people.
Are there bad-egg companies?  Of course.  We can all cite the Enron&#039;s, AIG, etc and the creation of SOX and other Legislation to combat these foes.  But just because I have some bad neighbors in my neighborhood doesn&#039;t mean all neighbors are bad.  Quite honestly, if I was in banking and our new President just took over my industry and announced he was going to limit executive pay I would try to grab as many millions as I could in my &quot;last&quot; year of independence.
Purina outsources as well, even more so since Nestle acquired us in 2002.  But outsourcing is only a drop in the bucket compared to the jobs lost to technology and illegal immigration.  It&#039;s estimated we lose 1 to 2 million jobs per year to outsourcing and 17 million jobs per year to technology.  You and I are responsible for the latter.  We&#039;ve spent our careers finding ways to reduce headcount and eke more productivity from the sponge.  We all remember gas stations with humans who cleaned our windshields, now replaced by 18 pump-your-own stations and 1 employee who really runs a convenience store instead of a service station.  ATM&#039;s replaced tellers, we now have self-scan grocery checkouts.  In the 90&#039;s, it&#039;s estimated 1,000,000 typists and word processor jobs were lost due to redundancy with computer technology.  We now have companies in St. Louis replacing forklift operators with AVG&#039;s.  Look at our supply chain industry with palletizers, ASRS systems, automated case picking systems; millions upon millions of jobs lost.
Do I like hearing about multi-million dollar bonuses to CEO&#039;s?  Absolutely not.  I also don&#039;t like Hollywood actors getting 30 to 40 million per picture and me having to pay 10 bucks to go to the theater or Sports celebrities commanding 50 million dollar contracts and me paying for that at the ticket gate.  But the beauty of America is that we can boycott movies, sporting events AND goods from companies who outsource.  We don&#039;t need Federal intervention; in fact, it was legislation in the early 90&#039;s that created the bonus crisis in the first place when Clinton felt it important to start limiting executive pay and lowered the deductivility of salaries to 1 million maximum.  This forced companies to find loopholes or become creative with executive pay and worse, changed the driving force behind those executives from one of &quot;how can I make my company the best?&quot; to one of &quot;with my new bonus and options pay structure, how can I increase my salary the most?&quot;
Before this legislation, a CEO received &quot;X&quot; millions of dollars per year regardless of the job they did.  Now, if they can find a way to cheat shareholders and their employees or outsource to improve the bottom line, they get &quot;X&quot; squared salary.
I think you and I can agree that the direction we&#039;re headed is a very bad one.  I&#039;m about finished with my career but feel for my kids and grandkids.  They&#039;re entering a world on a Socialist path where the elitest (Congress, Celebrities, CEO&#039;s, Wall street) get it all and the other 99% of the citizenry &quot;share the weath&quot;.
I think a book with the title &quot;How to raise your child to be an Elitest&quot; would be a best seller.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t quite jumped on the &#8220;hate corporate america&#8221; bandwagon just yet since it&#8217;s being led by the Left and is intended to feed the anger and resentment of their constituency, similar to the continuing racial divide, sexist divide, class-warfare and any other &#8220;divide&#8221; that diverts attention from the truth and keeps America polarized.<br />
Personally, my company, Nestle-Purina, plays an extremely important community and international role from supporting United Way to Tsunami, Katrina and Haiti relief as well as providing 250,000+ jobs around the world.  And, we feed pets that provide companionship to over a billion people.<br />
Are there bad-egg companies?  Of course.  We can all cite the Enron&#8217;s, AIG, etc and the creation of SOX and other Legislation to combat these foes.  But just because I have some bad neighbors in my neighborhood doesn&#8217;t mean all neighbors are bad.  Quite honestly, if I was in banking and our new President just took over my industry and announced he was going to limit executive pay I would try to grab as many millions as I could in my &#8220;last&#8221; year of independence.<br />
Purina outsources as well, even more so since Nestle acquired us in 2002.  But outsourcing is only a drop in the bucket compared to the jobs lost to technology and illegal immigration.  It&#8217;s estimated we lose 1 to 2 million jobs per year to outsourcing and 17 million jobs per year to technology.  You and I are responsible for the latter.  We&#8217;ve spent our careers finding ways to reduce headcount and eke more productivity from the sponge.  We all remember gas stations with humans who cleaned our windshields, now replaced by 18 pump-your-own stations and 1 employee who really runs a convenience store instead of a service station.  ATM&#8217;s replaced tellers, we now have self-scan grocery checkouts.  In the 90&#8242;s, it&#8217;s estimated 1,000,000 typists and word processor jobs were lost due to redundancy with computer technology.  We now have companies in St. Louis replacing forklift operators with AVG&#8217;s.  Look at our supply chain industry with palletizers, ASRS systems, automated case picking systems; millions upon millions of jobs lost.<br />
Do I like hearing about multi-million dollar bonuses to CEO&#8217;s?  Absolutely not.  I also don&#8217;t like Hollywood actors getting 30 to 40 million per picture and me having to pay 10 bucks to go to the theater or Sports celebrities commanding 50 million dollar contracts and me paying for that at the ticket gate.  But the beauty of America is that we can boycott movies, sporting events AND goods from companies who outsource.  We don&#8217;t need Federal intervention; in fact, it was legislation in the early 90&#8242;s that created the bonus crisis in the first place when Clinton felt it important to start limiting executive pay and lowered the deductivility of salaries to 1 million maximum.  This forced companies to find loopholes or become creative with executive pay and worse, changed the driving force behind those executives from one of &#8220;how can I make my company the best?&#8221; to one of &#8220;with my new bonus and options pay structure, how can I increase my salary the most?&#8221;<br />
Before this legislation, a CEO received &#8220;X&#8221; millions of dollars per year regardless of the job they did.  Now, if they can find a way to cheat shareholders and their employees or outsource to improve the bottom line, they get &#8220;X&#8221; squared salary.<br />
I think you and I can agree that the direction we&#8217;re headed is a very bad one.  I&#8217;m about finished with my career but feel for my kids and grandkids.  They&#8217;re entering a world on a Socialist path where the elitest (Congress, Celebrities, CEO&#8217;s, Wall street) get it all and the other 99% of the citizenry &#8220;share the weath&#8221;.<br />
I think a book with the title &#8220;How to raise your child to be an Elitest&#8221; would be a best seller.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Few Thoughts on Outsourcing by dshirey</title>
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		<dc:creator>dshirey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good points, Ward, and I heartily agree.  But I do disagree with one of your points.   It might not be a formal goal but you can&#039;t deny that reducing head count is one of the main priorities in corporate America.  

I don&#039;t know what the solution to all of this is but I also feel very nervous thinking that giving companies tax breaks is going to help.  I would sooner believe I could teach my wife to turn off the lights when she leaves a room than that companies would take that saved tax money and reinvest it in people.  I don&#039;t believe it would spur hiring, it would instead end up in corporate bonus&#039;.   

This is a very complex issue and it makes me very sad that whatever the reason for it, we are fundamentally changing the face of America and not in a good way.  And it makes me sad that corporate America is leading the charge in complete disregard of what is best for the country and even for themselves.  It&#039;s not just the government that is to blame.  We need corporate leaders who consider people as people, not as &#039;resources&#039; to be discarded when convenient.     

Somewhere over the past 30 years we have accepted the fiction that somebody else can do a better job of doing stuff than we can, and so let&#039;s outsource everything.  Taken to an extreme, and in business we always do things to the extreme, we end up with companies that don&#039;t do anything but coordinate the work of others.  And if we were outsourceing to companies in our own town or state or country, that would be stupid, but it would be OK.   But the current fad of sending the jobs out of our country]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points, Ward, and I heartily agree.  But I do disagree with one of your points.   It might not be a formal goal but you can&#8217;t deny that reducing head count is one of the main priorities in corporate America.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what the solution to all of this is but I also feel very nervous thinking that giving companies tax breaks is going to help.  I would sooner believe I could teach my wife to turn off the lights when she leaves a room than that companies would take that saved tax money and reinvest it in people.  I don&#8217;t believe it would spur hiring, it would instead end up in corporate bonus&#8217;.   </p>
<p>This is a very complex issue and it makes me very sad that whatever the reason for it, we are fundamentally changing the face of America and not in a good way.  And it makes me sad that corporate America is leading the charge in complete disregard of what is best for the country and even for themselves.  It&#8217;s not just the government that is to blame.  We need corporate leaders who consider people as people, not as &#8216;resources&#8217; to be discarded when convenient.     </p>
<p>Somewhere over the past 30 years we have accepted the fiction that somebody else can do a better job of doing stuff than we can, and so let&#8217;s outsource everything.  Taken to an extreme, and in business we always do things to the extreme, we end up with companies that don&#8217;t do anything but coordinate the work of others.  And if we were outsourceing to companies in our own town or state or country, that would be stupid, but it would be OK.   But the current fad of sending the jobs out of our country</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Few Thoughts on Outsourcing by Ward Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ward Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whole-heartedly agree, Dave, especially the &quot;makes me nervous&quot; and &quot;fearful&quot; part regarding this trend.  But this has been a gameplan, whether intentional or accidental, for decades.  It started with eliminating the distinction between white and blue collar or said another way, higher education vs high-school.  I had a Thai exchange student a few years back who desperately wanted to go to college but in Thailand only 20% of students are ALLOWED to go, the other 80% accept the blue-collar lifestyle.  

In the U.S., grocery store check-out clerks can make 40K or higher; Beer truck delivery men hold out for 60K or more.  When this happens, white collar says &quot;hey, I put in my 6 years of grad and post-grad, I want more too!&quot;  Then we price ourselves too high.  Suddenly the U.S. has only 1 color collar and is trying to compete in a global economy with nations that still live the distinction.

Then came along the Political left&#039;s class warfare and hate-Corporate America speech (still on a very successful campaign run with the highly paid CEO angle) and our high levels of taxation compared to other countries.

Then we have the runaway cost of Medical Care  and other benefits driving up Payroll costs.

Finally the big one, Cap and Trade Legislation under the guise of man-made global warming.  Imagine the outsourcing when energy costs in the U.S. are quadruple those in &quot;developing&quot; Nations who still have a pass to burn coal and wood?

So back to your point &quot;But the current goal of every business in the U.S. is to eliminate anyone who is not making minimum wage or a little above, and to get rid of as many of those people as possible&quot;........I have to respectfully disagree and use the chicken-and-egg analogy; business outsourcing is reactionary to the changing conditions.  I don&#039;t know a single CEO who has a goal to get rid of anybody but I do know many who resort to outsourcing to survive.

So let&#039;s reverse those conditions....lower Corporate tax rates, eliminate Capital gains taxes, re-establish a two-collar system without prejudice (in other words, if you drop out of high school you don&#039;t get a sports car, nice house and all the fun electronics and you should not expect such), become energy independent (drill here now AND develop alternative energy).  

Change the conditions, you change how business reacts.  Continue on the same track as we have since the 70&#039;s, keep playing the catch-up game and outsource, outsource, outsource.

Good blog, Dave.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whole-heartedly agree, Dave, especially the &#8220;makes me nervous&#8221; and &#8220;fearful&#8221; part regarding this trend.  But this has been a gameplan, whether intentional or accidental, for decades.  It started with eliminating the distinction between white and blue collar or said another way, higher education vs high-school.  I had a Thai exchange student a few years back who desperately wanted to go to college but in Thailand only 20% of students are ALLOWED to go, the other 80% accept the blue-collar lifestyle.  </p>
<p>In the U.S., grocery store check-out clerks can make 40K or higher; Beer truck delivery men hold out for 60K or more.  When this happens, white collar says &#8220;hey, I put in my 6 years of grad and post-grad, I want more too!&#8221;  Then we price ourselves too high.  Suddenly the U.S. has only 1 color collar and is trying to compete in a global economy with nations that still live the distinction.</p>
<p>Then came along the Political left&#8217;s class warfare and hate-Corporate America speech (still on a very successful campaign run with the highly paid CEO angle) and our high levels of taxation compared to other countries.</p>
<p>Then we have the runaway cost of Medical Care  and other benefits driving up Payroll costs.</p>
<p>Finally the big one, Cap and Trade Legislation under the guise of man-made global warming.  Imagine the outsourcing when energy costs in the U.S. are quadruple those in &#8220;developing&#8221; Nations who still have a pass to burn coal and wood?</p>
<p>So back to your point &#8220;But the current goal of every business in the U.S. is to eliminate anyone who is not making minimum wage or a little above, and to get rid of as many of those people as possible&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;..I have to respectfully disagree and use the chicken-and-egg analogy; business outsourcing is reactionary to the changing conditions.  I don&#8217;t know a single CEO who has a goal to get rid of anybody but I do know many who resort to outsourcing to survive.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s reverse those conditions&#8230;.lower Corporate tax rates, eliminate Capital gains taxes, re-establish a two-collar system without prejudice (in other words, if you drop out of high school you don&#8217;t get a sports car, nice house and all the fun electronics and you should not expect such), become energy independent (drill here now AND develop alternative energy).  </p>
<p>Change the conditions, you change how business reacts.  Continue on the same track as we have since the 70&#8242;s, keep playing the catch-up game and outsource, outsource, outsource.</p>
<p>Good blog, Dave.</p>
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